What should I eat before each marathon training run?

Firstly to ensure your overall marathon training diet is balanced, read Nutrient Balance for Athletic Performance.  You also need to figure out what you can / should eat before each run. During your training, use this time to practice what you will eat on race morning.

Don’t overdo it

You may not need to eat before every training run. My rule of thumb is I don’t take in any calories if the run is under 10 miles (unless the workout is a speed workout or other intense session).

You want to start each workout fully fueled. Think about how long you are running and what energy it will take to get you through the workout. If I am running 10 miles or less first thing in the morning I will have a banana before leaving home OR a sports gel just before the run starts. (assuming I am driving to a group run) Between 10-14 miles I base my decision on what I had for dinner the night before and if I have any hunger. Over 14 miles I follow the suggestions below.

For your weekly runs if you run after work, follow these instructions. You will probably be running 5-7 hours after lunch which will approximate the overnight fast.

Your objectives during your training season are to:

  • find out what works for you and
  • stay optimally fueled for the workout.

Beyond that, there is a school of thought that you need to teach your body to use nutrients wisely by running on “empty” occasionally.

When planning your marathon training schedule, also plan when / what you plan to eat.

When planning what to eat before your run think about these things:

Satisfy your hunger

This seems obvious but is so often overlooked. If you run first thing in the morning, don’t skip breakfast. You need to BREAK the FAST to fuel your workout.

How much you eat depends on the distance / intensity of your workout.

Skipping breakfast can make it harder to maintain your blood sugar level and can deplete your limited stores of carb muscle fuel (glycogen) even faster. This can hamper your ability to get in a full workout and reduce the effectiveness of your training.

If you have trouble eating first thing in the morning, get over it. This is mostly a mental problem and you can overcome it.

One method to get over the problem of not being able to eat first thing in the morning is to have a liquid breafast. You can blend a smoothie or try Ensure High Protein drink. You can find this is the baby section of most grocery stores.

Replenish carb stores

The second goal is to restock your carb stores. This is most important for early morning runners

During the night your body works to repair tissue and regenerate cells. All of this work creates energy demands during the night. Plus you were breathing and digesting dinner. The most readily available source of energy is glycogen. This is your precious energy source you stored up in your muscles for your morning run. By the time you get up your carbohydrate store has been reduced by 140 – 260 calories. That should give you an idea of how much you need to eat before your run.

As mentioned earlier, the longer the workout the more important this is. The idea is to replenish carbohydrate fuel stores without overtaxing your digestive system.

Reestablish fluid levels

During the night you likely lost as much as ounces of fluid. Replace this to ensure you start your workout hydrated.

Optimize performance

Every workout has a training stimulus. Or it least it should. Suppose you have a 8 mile tempo run on your schedule. The training stimulus of a tempo run is increasing one’s lactate threshold. If you start the run depleted, it is highly unlikely you will train at your optimum level, thereby missing the improvement in your training you were supposed to get from the tempo run.

Prepare for recovery

Recovery is one of the most overlooked aspects of training. Yet it can be the difference in dragging through workouts and sailing through them. We will have a separate discussion on recovery nutrition but for now understand that if you start the workout depleted, your recovery will be affected.

You can set yourself up to recover quickly by starting each workout optimally fueled.

Those are the general pre-workout nutrition goals.

What are the specific recommendations for eating before marathon training?

Try to take in 200 – 300 calories for every hour between now and when you run

If your run is starting at 7:30 and you get up at 6:30, eat 200 – 300 calories. If you can get up at 5:30, then you can take in more. What did you have for dinner last night and when did you eat? This will make a difference in how many calories you will want in the morning.

Eat mostly carbohydrates

Since your goal is to replenish glycogen stores, it makes sense to eat the foods that will most easily be converted to glycogen – carbohydrates. If you choose the right carbs, your food will digest quickly and you won’t be carrying it around in your gut during the run.

Eat from the low end of the glycemic Index

The Glycemic Index (GI) has to do with how fast the carbohydrates in a food are digested and absorbed into the bloodstream.

You have two decisions to make regarding the GI of your pre-run snack.

  • High GI – blood sugar crash
  • Lower GI – tend to have fiber and might be hard to digest quickly

Low GI foods are generally not ideal in the pre-exercise meal. Since these foods are processed more slowly by your digestive system and typically contain more fiber, the danger is that you could end up with gastrointestinal discomfort while running. (This is why you practice what you plan to eat. An apple might work for you while be too much fiber for your neighbor.)

  • Lower GI – give the food time to digest
  • Higher GI – eat immediately before running

Keep your pre-run food low in fiber

As just mentioned, lower GI foods are often high in fiber. That fiber will absorb the water in your gut and swell. Not what you want during your long run.

Include some protein

It’s wise to include a bit of protein in your pre-run meal.

Several studies show that a mix of essential amino acids (protein) and carbs taken before strenuous exercise stimulates protein synthesis after exercise. This is great news for endurance training as it sets you up for recovery.

Even without the promising results from the studies, the protein will blunt the affect of a high GI food, delaying the release of sugar into the bloodstream and delaying fatigue.

Hydrate well

Surely you know this by now. Don’t start your run at risk for dehydration. Research has shown beginning your workout fully hydrated may reduce protein breakdown during training. If you are not sure why this is important, google “ammonia smell during exercise”.

Water only the last hour before your run

Many marathoners guzzle Gatorade in the last hour before the race (or training run) but this is not ideal. The sugar in sports drinks sends sugar into the bloodstream, followed by the release of insulin to control it. Such a reaction is likely to leave you low on blood sugar at the start of the run.

However, 10 minutes before your run, go ahead and have that Gatorade. When the insulin rush happens you will be running and the exercise will blunt the effect.

If you need some help choosing foods that fit this profile, read this article titled “Ideal pre-marathon foods“. In addition to ensuring your overall marathon training diet is sound, you need to monitor what you eat before each run. During your training, use this time to practice what you will eat on race morning.

Lose weight by eating all day?

Did You Know That…

  • Munching on just one carrot will meet your vitamin A needs for the entire day?

  • Eating snacks can help prevent overeating?

Why snack? Didn’t your mother tell you to eat three square meals a day?

Healthy snacks are the perfect way to regulate your metabolism, get the nutrients you need and sustain energy throughout the day.

Snacks help you get a balanced diet. People often get busy with work and exercise schedules. They may forget to eat or may not have time for regular meals. Healthy snacks can help supplement the nutrients you need in a day.

Many people find that exercise makes them less hungry at mealtime. This is another reason to eat snacks, instead of large meals, to get enough calories for activities. Keeping one or two healthy snack foods with you makes it easy to have enough energy for working out. Choosing the right snacks can make sure that you get good foods from all of the food groups each day.

Well-planned snacks can help most people reach their dietary goals. Picking snacks to complement your meals or your diet is the key to snacking. Make sure you eat food from all five food groups during the day. (grains, fruits, vegetables, protein, dairy)

Athletes involved in sports or endurance training need to snack to meet their increased energy demands. Carbohydrates (stored as a substance called glycogen in the liver and muscles) are used up during exercise and must be replenished.

What kinds of snacks should I eat?

Eat energy-rich snacks instead of high fat, high calorie fast foods. The best snack foods are ones that you would usually pick as part of a healthy diet.

  • If you are trying to control your weight, eat a healthy snack before you get hungry. This will help keep you from eating too much later in the day. Ask your dietitian to help you decide which snacks to eat, and when, so you get the right amount of calories each day.

  • Your dietitian can also help you choose the right snacks if you are trying to gain weight.

  • You may need a sweet snack, some juice, or a starchy food during exercise if your workout lasts longer than an hour. Your blood sugar (glucose) can get low if you exercise more than 60 minutes at a time. Eat lowfat energy bars, other light snacks, or sports drinks if needed to raise your blood sugar.

How do I pack a healthy snack to eat away from home?

When possible, choose snacks that can be at room temperature all day without spoiling. This is especially important if you are going to be away from home or a without a way to keep food cold.

Examples:

  • Rice cakes
  • Carrots/celery
  • Apples, banana
  • Protein bars (luna, pria, balance, etc)
  • Handful of trail mix/nuts/seeds

Keep the following snacks cold or eat them within two hours of leaving home. Bacteria can grow in them which can make you sick if they are not chilled after being out of the refrigerator for 2 hours.

  • Milk and dairy products.
  • Pudding and custard.
  • Meat, fish, and poultry.
  • Salads or sandwiches with mayonnaise or salad dressing.
  • Fresh squeezed juice or fresh fruit smoothies.

The key is to develop habits of excellence. The fuel you put into your body has a lot to do with your energy during the day.

What snacks are good?

Well-planned snacks can help most people reach their dietary goals. Picking snacks to complement your meals or your diet is the key to snacking. Make sure you eat food from all five food groups during the day.

The five food groups are:

  • meat, poultry, fish, dried beans, eggs

  • grains

  • fruits

  • vegetables

  • milk, cheese, yogurt.

Carbohydrates (grains, fruits, and vegetables) should make up at least half of your daily calories.

For example, if all you had for breakfast was a bowl of cereal with low-fat milk and you became hungry at 10:00 a.m., pick a snack from the food groups that you missed. Because you had only two of the five food groups for breakfast, you should pick a snack from one or more of the other three, like fruits, fruit juice, vegetables, peanut butter on celery, apples, or bagels. Because most Americans do not eat enough complex carbohydrates you are usually safe choosing snack foods like whole-grain breads, cereals, bagels, fruits, and vegetables.

Snacks You Can Eat Every Day

Snack

Grams of fat

Calories

Nonfat, sugar-free yogurt

 

 

with fruit (1 cup)

0

100

Baby carrots (3 oz)

0

40

Fresh fruit:

 

 

Banana (small)

0

100

Apple (medium)

0

60

Pear (medium)

0

60

Orange (medium)

0

60

Kiwi (2)

0

40

Bagel (1)

1.4

165

Cold cereal

1

110

Fig Newtons (2)

2

100

Graham crackers (2)

1.5

60

Instant oatmeal (1 oz)

1.7

100

Rice cakes (2)

0.2

70

Pretzels (1 oz)

1

110

Skim milk (8 oz)

1

110

 

Active athletes or growing children who sometimes need foods with more calories can add these items to the list of snack foods: peanut butter sandwiches, low-fat milkshakes (with skim milk and low-fat ice cream), dried fruit, cottage cheese, and pasta with sauce.

An extremely important part of training well is learning to follow a healthy diet. For athletes trying to practice and compete often, developing good habits with the snacks you choose can be critical to having the right kind of energy to draw upon.

Some healthy snacks to build into your routine…

For drinks:

We suggest water, sport drinks, or unsweetened fruit juice.

For sandwiches:

Use whole grain bread, pita bread, or bagels with the following ingredients (get creative): plain tuna; turkey; boiled ham; lean roast beef; lean meats(95-98% fat free); lowfat cheese. Top off with lettuce, tomatoes, mustard, catsup or very small amounts of lowfat mayonnaise. Regular mayo is very high in fat.

Getting into the habit of eating cut-up raw vegetables is also very healthy. Learn to eat them plain or with yogurt or other lowfat dips (avoid high fat dips).

Things to avoid:

Chips, snack cakes, candy, and soft drinks. If you have to eat cookies, try graham crackers, fig newtons, or ginger snaps.

The key is to develop habits of excellence. The fuel you put into your body has a lot to do with your ability to train, practice and compete well. Start today to develop good habits, and good luck. Don’t forget to share some of your favorite healthy recipes on the new recipe board.

Cold Cereal:
Choose dense cereals such as – granola, muesli, Grape-Nuts, Wheat Chex – top with nuts, sunflower seeds, raisins, banana and other fruits

Hot Cereal:
Cooking with milk adds more calories; mix in powdered milk, peanut butter, walnuts, sunflower seeds, wheat germ or dried fruit.

Legumes, beans:
Lentils, split pea soup, kidney bean chilli, limas, and dried beans are high in calories and are also high in proteins and carbohydrates.

Desserts:
Choose desserts with nutritional value, such as: oatmeal-raisin cookies, Fig Newtons, rice pudding, chocolate pudding, stewed fruit compotes, pumpkin pie, carrot cake, banana bread, muffins.

Snacks:
Fruit yogurt, cheese and crackers, peanuts, sunflower seeds, almonds, granola, pretzels, English muffins, bagels, muffins, peanut butter and crackers, milk shakes, dried fruit.

Sports performance

Whether you are an endurance athlete or a fair weather sports person, a high carbohydrate snack before the event will really help boost your energy levels and enhance endurance. And when it’s all over, high carbohydrate snacks and drinks are of crucial importance in helping the body rapidly replenish its energy reserves.

Healthy Snack Ideas

Cold Cereal:
Choose dense cereals such as granola, muesli, Grape-Nuts, Wheat Chex : top with nuts, sunflower seeds, raisins, banana and other fruits

Hot Cereal:
Cooking with milk adds more calories; mix in powdered milk, peanut butter, walnuts, sunflower seeds, wheat germ or dried fruit.

Legumes, beans:
Lentils, split pea soup, kidney bean chilli, limas, and dried beans are high in calories and are also high in proteins and carbohydrates.

Desserts:
Choose desserts with nutritional value, such as: oatmeal-raisin cookies, Fig Newtons, rice pudding, chocolate pudding, stewed fruit compotes, pumpkin pie, carrot cake, banana bread, muffins.

Easy to Pack Snacks:
Fruit yogurt, cheese and crackers, peanuts, sunflower seeds, almonds, granola, pretzels, English muffins, bagels, muffins, peanut butter and crackers, milk shakes, dried fruit.

For sandwiches:

Use whole grain bread, pita bread, or bagels with the following ingredients (get creative): plain tuna; turkey; boiled ham; lean roast beef; lean meats (95-98% fat free); lowfat cheese. Top off with lettuce, tomatoes, and mustard. Regular mayo is very high in fat.

Getting into the habit of eating cut-up raw vegetables is also very healthy. Learn to eat them plain or with yogurt or other lowfat dips (avoid high fat dips).

Things to avoid:

Chips, snack cakes, candy, and soft drinks. If you have to eat cookies, try graham crackers, fig newtons, or ginger snaps.

Getting all food groups covered

Dairy Foods

  • One ounce packages of string cheese or lowfat cheddar cheese
  • Single serving lowfat puddings
  • Single serving lowfat yogurts

Fruits

  • Apple or banana slices with peanut butter
  • Boxes of fruit juice
  • Dried fruit, such as apricots, raisins, apples, pears, and pineapple
  • Fresh fruits such as apples, oranges, grapes, nectarines
  • Frozen bananas, grapes, mangoes
  • Frozen juice or blended fruit bars
  • Fruit smoothies
  • Single serving canned applesauce
  • Single serving canned fruit cups

Protein Foods

  • Almonds, peanuts, and other nuts (These are high calorie so only eat a small handful each day and mix with other fat-free foods.)
  • Cottage cheese with fresh or canned fruit
  • Garbanzo bean dip (hummus) and lowfat crackers
  • Lowfat cheese on whole wheat crackers
  • Lowfat sports bars
  • Peanut butter and jelly sandwich on whole wheat bread
  • Trail mix with nuts and dried fruits (no coconut)
  • Tuna salad sandwich
  • Turkey breast or lean roast beef sandwich

 

Starchy Foods

  • Granola with low fat milk
  • Granola, rolled oats, and dried fruit eaten dry without milk
  • Lowfat cookies such as fig bars, vanilla wafers, animal crackers or ginger snaps
  • Lowfat granola bars
  • Lowfat tortilla chips with salsa or bean dip
  • Low sugar cereals
  • Nachos with lowfat tortilla chips and lowfat cheese
  • Pretzels
  • Rice cakes with peanut butter
  • Rye crackers or other lowfat crackers
  • Slice of leftover pizza
  • Small bowl of hot soup
  • Whole grain bagels with lowfat cream cheese
  • Whole wheat cookies with oats, peanut butter, or dried fruit

 

Vegetables

  • Baked potato with lowfat cheese melted on top
  • Carrot & celery sticks with lowfat ranch dressing
  • Celery sticks with lowfat cream cheese or peanut butter
  • Fresh cut-up vegetables with lowfat dip
  • Single servings of tomato or vegetable juice

Processed Food Healthier Alternatives

  • Frozen french fries Sliced whole potatoes baked in oven
  • Processed cheese spread Real block cheese
  • Boxed snack foods Whole, shelled peanuts, unsalted, nuts/seeds
  • Frozen breaded chicken patty Boneless, skinless chicken breast, baked
  • Turkey lunchmeat Fresh turkey breast, sliced
  • Flavored white rice Long grain brown rice mixed with homemade salsa
  • White bread Whole grain bread
  • Instant potatoes Whole potatoes mashed
  • Boxed macaroni and cheese Homemade macaroni and cheese
  • Potato chips and dip Hummus and baked tortilla chips
  • Bottled salad dressing Oil and vinegar
  • White flour Mix half white flour and half whole wheat flour

Surviving the Travel Challenge for Athletes

Whether it is for business or for an event, competitive athletes face many challenges associated with travel. An athlete must maintain a regular eating schedule to ensure proper carbohydrate and protein levels, daily vitamin needs, adequate energy and hydration. Travel, however, very frequently disrupts this schedule and exposes the athlete to foreign food and water which may lead to gastrointestinal distress. This article focuses on key points that will help athletes adapt and reduce the nutrition stress of unfamiliarity. Some of these points include planning ahead, researching destinations and their catering styles, determining what food to pack, and recognizing and remaining aware of energy balance and food safety.

Plan ahead for your race travel

Once you account for time differences and jet lag, aim to keep foods and meal times as similar to home as possible. Do not assume that what is normally consumed at home will be readily available, particularly if you venture to a different country. By using the internet, embassies, travel agencies, and the event organizers, you can determine what foods are available and how assessable stores will be to you once you reach your destination.  Foods such as fruit, yogurt, string cheese, jello-type puddings, cottage/ricotta cheeses are usually available if stores are accessible.  If you want to prepare your own food, determine the accessibility of refrigerators, microwave ovens, or even blenders. You may even consider taking a mini blender (such as the magic bullet express) if electricity is present and appropriate wattage.

Packing your race luggage

Appropriateness of traveling with certain food items and/or mini appliances may differ based on whether all meals are included or part of nutrition is expected to be self catered.  With regard to preparing your luggage:

Protein/energy bars offer great snack options and are easily transportable as well as non-perishable. Make sure you pack an adequate supply.

Other non-perishable items are easy to throw into luggage, ready to provide a quick and easy snack or mini meal.  These include packets of oatmeal or other instant hot cereals (all you need is hot water which can be made in a microwave or in a coffee pot, usually available in hotel rooms), snack packs like pretzels, animal crackers, and Fig Newtons.

Consider packing protein powder for meal replacement shakes. Protein powder is easily transportable and would not take up much extra space if packed into sandwich bags. The availability of fruit is almost a guarantee in most cities, and thus protein shakes for recovery and/or as any meal replacements becomes an easy option. Protein shakers with specifically designed whipping tops are a great alternative if blenders in inaccessible, these can be purchased at most health food stores or sports stores, such as GNC, Vitamin Shoppe, Sports Authority.

Proper research and packing can ensure that you have foods available when needed.

Using what is available

Hotel breakfasts, if included, often have oatmeal packets, bran cereal in little boxes, fruit, and yogurts that can be taken away from the breakfast area when you leave for the day. These can be kept in tog bags for snacks during the day (especially if you are unable to get to a store). Remember, dairy products should not be left at room temperature for very long. By attempting to eat every two to three hours when you are traveling as you would at home, not only do you maintain a well fueled metabolism but you consume these perishable foods within a reasonable amount of time.

Many hotel breakfasts not only serve yogurt and fruit options, but also serve egg options, which can be accompanied by a slice of whole wheat bread/toast or a whole wheat English muffin. Always ask the service staff if they serve eggs, because it is not always evident, and more than likely can be arranged. They may even boil some eggs by request. Be aware of buffet style breakfasts and stick to the same choices you would normally make at home – fruits, yogurts, raisin bran cereal, and egg options.  Especially when away, be very careful of portion size.  It’s easy to forget.

For lunches and dinners, even though it may be difficult and the food may be enticing, make good food choices:

Be conscious of hidden fats in restaurant foods especially in dressings, marinades, and other sauces.
Stick with grilled, baked, broiled or steamed chicken, fish, and grilled or steamed vegetables. Coastal cities always have excellent grilled fish – a great choice for good quality protein.
Limit the amount of fat in snacks and breakfast choices so that if lunches and dinners are unavoidably high in fat, at least the chance of overload is minimized.   
Try to include a carbohydrate choice for each of the main meals, like rice, grain bread, baked or sweet potato, or legumes (beans, edamame).  
Try to get the whole grain options for carbohydrate choices, such as whole grain breads, quinoa, couscous, brown rice, etc.  

Be high maintenance, wait staff are there to please you and will usually honor reasonable requests without a fuss.  

If by Air

You are more likely to receive a lower fat, higher carbohydrate meal if you request a vegetarian meal on the airplane which you should do as part of your pre-planning. Some airlines even offer a sports nutrition meal, and researching options can aid in reducing the risk of gastrointestinal distress, particularly before a competition.

Reduce the stress associated with travel by readjusting to time changes for both sleeping and eating as quickly as possible. Make sure to eat meals when the locals are eating and sleep when the locals are sleeping.  

Hydration

It is important to maintain constant hydration, not only in preparation for an event, but particularly while in flight – air travel is a highly dehydrating experience. Sip water and sports drinks continuously throughout the flight as a preventative measure. Consider taking bottled water with you, as their may be a large lag in time from when seated on a plane until the first beverages are served. With regards to the new security regulations, bottled water can be purchased inside the airport once you pass security check points.  Avoid caffeine and alcohol on flights, since both have a diuretic effect, which increase the risk of dehydration in an already dehydrating environment.

Bottled water is highly recommended in foreign countries. Even though you may hear “the water’s safe”, it may be for the locals, but because the water supplies are foreign to our immune systems, they may cause gastrointestinal stress which can quickly put a damper on your time away.  

Athelete’s Travel Tips Summary

Disruptions and distractions of traveling away from home can significantly impact performance. Preparation and self education on destinations offer an extreme benefit to keep athletic performance optimal. The main priority is to remain effectively fueled. It is not difficult to adhere to good nutritional strategies away from home, even when in foreign countries. The key to successful travel is planning.

HOT OFF THE PRESS – Metabolic Efficiency

I have always struggled with writing articles for scientific purposes. As you can see, if you are a follower of mine, a lot of what I write tends to have a journalistic feel to it. When it comes to science, there are more formal rules and regulations, and your writing is much more carefully monitored and fine combed for errors or inconsistencies by your peers.

In fact, for a master’s project it was required as a credit to get something published in a peer-reviewed journal. Something like “The Journal of the American Dietetic Association,” or “Medical Journal of Sports Nutrition.” I personally had to submit a bunch of attempts before I got something accepted. Funnily enough, I have been commended many times on my chatty, newsy letters home, to friends and family that love to get the happenings of my exciting life and experiences with this second career of mine here in the US.

With all this said, I continue to write, as good practice for my career in this scientific field. And oh yes, I am continually trying to get my name in lights. I was so proud of myself today when my peer, and in a sense “boss,” paid me one of the best compliments yet to date. Before I reveal my honour, I have to disclaim why I say “boss.” I am on Matt Fitzgerald’s editorial board for http://www.Poweringmuscles.com (great resource, by the way – training and sports nutrition tips… and yes, you will even see “yours truly” regularly published there, with every attempt to keep up with my science).

Matt Fitzgerald is a journalist and author specializing in the topics of health, fitness, nutrition and endurance sports training. His work appears regularly in publications such as Runner’s World, Triathlete, Her Sports and Running Times. He has also authored and coauthored numerous books, including Triathlete Magazine’s Complete Triathlon Book, which has sold more than 60,000 copies since its publication in 2003. Matt has been a competitive runner since age 12 and competes in triathlons.

So, yes he is a peer, and yes he does edit much (or rather tear apart) of my stuff. Well today, I submitted one of my personal favourite topics. Metabolic Efficiency after all, is partly the reason sports nutrition interested me so much and why I chose to go into this second career. Not only was it posted right away on http://www.Poweringmuscles.com, but Matt also wrote me a complimentary email, and then went on to put my great article on http://runningCompetitor.com too (and yes, I get paid for this 🙂 ) – Maybe I should consider a third career change… freelance journalist….mmm… nah!!!

Here is Matt’s email to me on receiving my article – and hey, feel free to read this one, as well as last month’s feature called “fat loading” both now on poweringmuscles.com, and don’t forget to check out http://running.competitor.com/ while it’s still hot off the press.

Ilana,

Very interesting article. I like how you mix the personal and the scientific and tell a bit of a story. You’re getting pretty good at this writing thing. I’ve already posted it on Powering Muscles and I’d actually like to use it on Competitor Running (http://running.competitor.com) as well, with your permission, but first I’ll need to send you a form and a contract to fill out, as we do things a little more formally here at the Competitor Group!

Matt